Comments on: Why I’m Not A Day Trader https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader Learn Price Action Trading with Nial Fuller Sun, 14 Feb 2021 08:46:05 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.2 By: Sasha https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1271460 Mon, 10 Aug 2020 21:45:01 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1271460 In reply to Mahmood.

Hehe what a comparison nice

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By: Sasha https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1271459 Mon, 10 Aug 2020 21:41:40 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1271459 In reply to Nial Fuller.

Exactly

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By: ABAYOMI AKINWALE https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1249965 Mon, 02 Dec 2019 07:37:19 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1249965 In reply to Nial Fuller.

Hi Nial, I am grateful for these eye opening insights. I have been trading for about a year now and just like you expressed, it has been ups and downs with wins and losses. I hope to regulate my trades with day trading henceforth and furnish this forum with testimonials in the nearest future.

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By: Zinnur https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1246900 Thu, 24 Oct 2019 20:12:57 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1246900 In reply to yunus sheik.

A very strong article! Thanks for your help.

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By: Nweke Emmanuel Uchenna https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1218669 Thu, 10 Jan 2019 18:12:14 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1218669 Thanks boss,truely Truth of the article’s teaching,to me see and believe is better,I ran away from local times after experiencing all these things, and am more comfortable now as am high time.

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By: Dale Kevin https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1207412 Fri, 30 Nov 2018 05:00:46 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1207412 The thing is, in lower charts you probably put very tight stop losses which perhaps from 10pips to 30pips. For me, it adds to your risk of losing or odds of losing. Because first and foremost, you do not only anticipating your odds of winning but also the odds of losing. With tight stop loses, you are more prone to being prematurely stopped-out due to unexpected/ unannounced volatility. Doesnt make sense to me. I prefer end of day trading using Daily charts to position my trade with favorable risk-reward, I can widen my stop loss to avoid getting prematurely stopped out.

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By: Dale Kevin https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1207411 Fri, 30 Nov 2018 04:55:03 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1207411 In reply to Nial Fuller.

scalping is merely gambling.

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By: Halilu Yahaya https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1203689 Sun, 18 Nov 2018 09:16:50 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1203689 Thanks Nial. Always educative

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By: Gandus https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1195975 Sun, 21 Oct 2018 22:42:07 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1195975 Second time I read this article but it is always refreshing to me. You see, why would you even want to make billions in one day. well thus you. the stress in ”day trading” is not easy at all. Take an example, the daily time frame formed a perfect pinbar ready for the market to take off in another direction and you are also using H1 OR 3o minute and so on, may be following a trend there. I bit you before the market breaks that trend that you are following to obey the pinbar on the daily time you may never get any key signal that tells you the trend is about breaking. Just like a subset in a universal set, so be it. smaller time frames are found within daily time and so if you use a smaller time frame with a SL within, you are within the universal set and market can play you like A BALL and move on. Even some times weekly signals are very much respected by the market than you expect. in such cases if you see for example a pinbar sell signal on the weekly but in the course of the week on daily time you may get a pinbar buy signal which usually happens just shortly and then obey the weekly sell one. Higher time frames are very safe and comforting to trade. you only need to remmember using smaller position size that gives way for wider SL, that is all. Thanks Nail.

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By: Gandus https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1195780 Sat, 20 Oct 2018 21:47:01 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1195780 In reply to khesiwe.

This shouldn’t be a great worry friend. when/what time do the candle sticks/bars/market close for the day and start a new day? Am in Ghana, with different seasons we have 9:00pm and 10:00pm time changes. so you can trade after 9 or 10 depending on the season or early morning at 8:00am or some minutes to 8 when markets relax and continue. all times are GMT :00. Reason Nail emphasized on ”end of day….” is that, WHEN bars or candle sticks are complete for the day, they give you a clue of the possible direction of the market.

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By: Kelynn https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1194279 Sun, 14 Oct 2018 08:51:33 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1194279 Hi..I wan to ask in this market always gap up and gap down a lot..it involves a lot of risk.if day trade we could avoid this ,right?

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By: Greg https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1191208 Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:31:27 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1191208 In reply to Kate.

I couldn’t agree more. Brilliant article. Traders take note.

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By: Pipsclip https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1189861 Sat, 22 Sep 2018 04:16:11 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1189861 How about H4? You also teach us to trade H4 on YouTube. I watch all your video. I like it very much. Some of traders calmly wait for H4 setup, enter and close it after few days. Not regularly watch the screen, we have mobile mt4 version nowadays. I think this is just for an experience traders that are really understand the concept of trading. Want to hear what you say about H4 TF. Tq

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By: Brahman https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1189246 Mon, 17 Sep 2018 11:44:39 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1189246 I totally agree with you there from my learning experience, now I plot my S/R zones on monthly chart , I have zones already plotted and saved once on all pairs I trade , so no need to be plotting S/R once done the first time.
Then when trading I look at weekly and daily for trend and for plotting trend line also use fibonacci on weekly and daily charts.
I then looking at daily again and 4 hours charts for recent price activities, candles stick patterns, recent highs and lows and determining my biases from there, working especially on 4 hours chart.
I usually decide during weekend what position to look forward to be taking at a targeted area for the coming week, so my trading during the week will be waiting for price to reach those areas and looking for specific candlestick patterns.
When I have decided to enter a trade, I then look at 1 hour chart for specific candle Print, especially after a re-test.
once I am in a trade I am looking and monitoring at 1 hours chart after almost but not always every hour at the previous candles that had been completed to see if the market is in favour of my biases, and manually move stop loss to lockin profits when necessary, this only take me only a few minutes of most hours. I never go beyond 1 hour chart.

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By: Nial Fuller https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1189220 Mon, 17 Sep 2018 07:17:06 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1189220 In reply to yunus sheik.

End of day trading occurs around the same time New York USA closes for the day.

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By: Thembile https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1189184 Sun, 16 Sep 2018 22:43:32 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1189184 Thank you so much Mr Nial, I can’t wait to be your student once I have an enough money.

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By: yunus sheik https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1189096 Sun, 16 Sep 2018 06:17:15 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1189096 HI,
what time of day would i trade if i live in a different part of the world.
Thanks. How would i know ‘ HIGHER TIME FRAMES’ . Please help.

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By: Nial Fuller https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1188640 Fri, 14 Sep 2018 08:28:58 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1188640 In reply to Simon.

Exactly Simon, great comparison of costs, this is one of my points, I agree.

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By: Nial Fuller https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1188639 Fri, 14 Sep 2018 08:27:31 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1188639 In reply to John.

Great comment John, I agree.

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By: John https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1188616 Fri, 14 Sep 2018 02:39:25 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1188616 My understanding is that bankers trade the 1 hour charts and may wait a week or more for the right set up. And these guys have advantages that retail traders do not. Respectfully, those claiming that it doesn’t matter what time frame you trade on clearly do not understand probability or random variables. Over the long run you are certain to lose trading on white noise. At best you can break even (highly unlikely) but you will certainly never accumulate wealth. Thank you Nial for the expertise and honesty that you share. Cheers.

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By: ahmed https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1188340 Thu, 13 Sep 2018 09:32:38 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1188340 In reply to Nial Fuller.

Great stuff. Really appreciate it.

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By: Simon https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1188148 Wed, 12 Sep 2018 19:41:05 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1188148 In reply to Emeka Egwim.

Take this… day trader stops 10 pips profits 10 pips, spread 2 pips and you just paid 20% to the broker. Swings 100 pips stops same thing we pay 2%

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By: Simon https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1188115 Wed, 12 Sep 2018 19:23:06 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1188115 In reply to Nial Fuller.

Guys if you don’t believe Nial about high frequency day trading and its cost, just open an account where you can actually see commission (brokers offer these accounts for scalpers)
and see for yourself after a couple of months. You also take into account that you are going to use much bigger position sizes due to tight stops so cost is very high.
100 trades per month x $10 (transaction cost per 1 lot) x 12 months = $12.000
that’s a very nice startup account you just blew thru commissions and broker likes you :)

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By: Enéias Nascimento https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1188071 Wed, 12 Sep 2018 16:40:34 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1188071 In reply to Julio.

Trading IS all about relax and frequency, because it’s that what makes our psychology, our mindset, became more accurate to the real well successed trading. Who thinks that what matters is the ideal aproach relatively to the time frame, is ignorating the mind part, and the risk management part. Strategy must be the last concern about trading.

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By: Enéias Nascimento https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1188070 Wed, 12 Sep 2018 16:29:33 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1188070 In reply to Matday.

Waiting can be a little frustrating for beginners, but it will compensate over time. We have to be patient, like Nial teaches. He is the proof that patient traders are more profitable.

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By: khesiwe https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1188069 Wed, 12 Sep 2018 16:26:52 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1188069 Hi Nial I like this article very much but my problem is since we live in different parts of the world for me am in Africa which is the right time for me to place my trades

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By: Nial Fuller https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1188061 Wed, 12 Sep 2018 14:22:39 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1188061 In reply to Julio.

When your paying a spread and commission, a tick chart vs a daily chart makes a very big difference, the lower the time frame the more you trade and more you churn your account due to costs, slippage and so on.

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By: Julio https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1188050 Wed, 12 Sep 2018 12:47:40 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1188050 In my humble opinion, it is not logically acceptable if profitable trading is claimed to a certain time frame. That is misslead. So trading is not about relax, frequency, etc but how do you make profit consistently from market. It will be more relevant to talk about momentum in any time frames, event tick chart, that requires different technical approach.

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By: Nial Fuller https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1187992 Wed, 12 Sep 2018 04:31:04 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1187992 In reply to Tsa.

I politely disagree, what I’ve written about here is in fact true. I would be very interested to compare the results of these person who is trading 1 minute and 5 minute charts, to another person who is trading higher time-frames.

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By: Enéias Nascimento https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1187981 Wed, 12 Sep 2018 03:13:46 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1187981 Hi Nial, one more excellent article, congrats. Since I start reading your blog, my entire carrer has chaged, for the best! I stoped lose money constantly, my life style has been better, i’ve got more free time to spent with my family, go to the church, and to study about trading psychology reading Mark Douglas books, and also a lot of your articles spread by the blog. So, thank you, and God bless you. Cheers

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By: Enéias Nascimento https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1187978 Wed, 12 Sep 2018 02:58:39 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1187978 In reply to Emeka Egwim.

This kind of thought is what Nial always fight against. We can adjust our lots when we trade higher timeframes. But I think when a trader make an argument like that, he is thinking in a very small account, like 100$ or 200$. And in fact, with an account like that, even the smallest lots will increase his risk if he trades high time frames. So, if the trader has some few dollars, he should save more money, until he gets an ideal amount to get started, instead day trading trying increase his capital, which is pure illusion.

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By: Kate https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1187943 Tue, 11 Sep 2018 21:53:53 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1187943 You’ve convinced me! And what a time to write his article! when only a couple of days ago I dropped even the 4hr in favour of the daily, because I’m sick of ditching my babies for chart checking, and I’m tired of the stress and financially fatal market noise in time frames under the daily! I’m actually up over 50% this year starting feb and realise if I want to keep that and grow it I need to switch quickly to the daily. Thank you so much for your course, it’s the best one around. You are absolutely 100% correct in what you’ve written here. Cheers!

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By: Matday https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1187937 Tue, 11 Sep 2018 21:07:29 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1187937 I thought it will be more profitable and relaxing if I trade only 1 to 2 trade a month with weekly and monthly time frame? But It will be frustrating and more stressfull to wait very long time to make a trade, more over when we got loss trades.

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By: glen https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1187930 Tue, 11 Sep 2018 20:13:36 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1187930 In reply to David.

I believe nail was talking to beginner’s such as myself,
I starting of trading 1hr and H4 time frames and it was working out very well and making good profits for me… then I thought that if I switch to small times frames it would be the same but I was totally wrong as it is time consuming and stressfull, price action moves fast and unpredictable….
thank you very much for sharing this Nial its been an eye opener

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By: idris Ahmad https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1187927 Tue, 11 Sep 2018 19:56:07 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1187927 am glad that you taught about what has been given me nightmare, ever since I started trading.thanks because I will put all that you discussed into practice in order to better my chances of becoming a successful trader.once more ,thanks alot.

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By: Tsa https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1187920 Tue, 11 Sep 2018 19:22:41 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1187920 Not true, it depends on your strategy, some strategies work fine on day trading and some are not…I know someone works on 5 minutes chart and sometimes on 1 minute chart for years and he is profitable.

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By: Balamurugan https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1187891 Tue, 11 Sep 2018 16:58:07 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1187891 I quit day trading just now, nice article for beginners and losers

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By: Jose https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1187883 Tue, 11 Sep 2018 15:08:32 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1187883 What about H4 charts? With a good pin bar strategy you can also make money there.

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By: Nial Fuller https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1187865 Tue, 11 Sep 2018 13:58:05 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1187865 In reply to Emeka Egwim.

Emeka. Wider stops does not make any difference because we just reduce the position size (wider stop = less lots, and tighter stop = more lots, yet we can still risk the same $ amount)

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By: Emeka Egwim https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1187859 Tue, 11 Sep 2018 13:51:30 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1187859 Interesting and educative as always. But what you did not mention is that you need larger stop losses (funds) to trade daily or higher timeframes. And also you may not see a trade setup for days or even weeks. To me i think the higher timeframes are for investors. So those of us with little funds have to trade daily to build our accounts. Thank you

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By: Hypolite Olua https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1187846 Tue, 11 Sep 2018 13:37:52 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1187846 I have been both a day trader and a swing trader. But my equity curve headed up only when I switched from day trading to higher time frames trading and swing trading style. Now my trading performance and confidence level have increased, l closed every month in profit as a swing trader and a higher time frames trader. Thank you Nail

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By: rossen dimitrov https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1187802 Tue, 11 Sep 2018 12:08:46 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1187802 Hi Thanks Super

Best Regards

Rossen Dimitrov

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By: Nial Fuller https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1187801 Tue, 11 Sep 2018 12:03:38 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1187801 In reply to David.

I disagree David. The smaller time-frames are not the same as higher time frames, the short time-frame has far more random noise and their is far less weight behind the signals.

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By: chijioke https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1187800 Tue, 11 Sep 2018 12:03:28 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1187800 Always making sense, good coach and mentor.

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By: Emmanuel https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1187799 Tue, 11 Sep 2018 12:02:42 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1187799 Thanks ,good piece for both newbies and old traders.

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By: Mahmood https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1187798 Tue, 11 Sep 2018 12:01:13 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1187798 Agree with you 100%. Trading is a lot like hunting. You cannot start firing bullets at every little movement you hear in the jungle. You have to wait before something interesting comes along, and even after all the wait, you can still miss the target shot. But that is the nature of the beast. You start waiting again with a clear head making sure you have bullets left for the next hunt.

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By: dalia https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1187797 Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:49:02 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1187797 I agree with u sir and this is ur article of very amazing i like swing trader and i like use larger frame times coz i just use weekly for charting and daily and four hours for trading by entry but I ask u plz if u ok
1 r u just technical only or fundamentals both ?
2 how to use swing trading with fundamentals ?
3 what u use frame times for charting and trading by entry ?
thanx sir

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By: David https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1187796 Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:48:45 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1187796 In reply to Nial Fuller.

Hi Nial
If you understand price action as you say you do, you can trade from any time frame and it doesn’t mean you have to stair at the charts all day.It like saying if you go to another country your never going to understand the language,this is not true,but if you stay longer enough you will start speaking the same language.
The only thing that harms your trading is yourself.Not The markets
Hope this MSG find you well

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By: Andrew https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1187790 Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:21:53 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1187790 It takes me more than an hour to do it.

Taking notes takes a lot of time. The more you trade, the more time it takes to take notes. It is very tedious and hardly anyone likes to do it.
It forces me to trade less.

The second thing, when you start with a small bill, you can not buy everything. It’s difficult to set SL well on expensive pairs, which is why I choose cheap ones, such as AUD / JPY.
Andrew

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By: Christopher https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/forex-articles/why-im-not-a-day-trader#comment-1187786 Tue, 11 Sep 2018 10:54:26 +0000 https://www.learntotradethemarket.com/?p=41720#comment-1187786 HUGE support for you, Nial, and I second all the comments so far. The common misconception in Forex trading is “quick wins and living a lifestyle” like the “old” tobacco ads in the 70’s and 80’s. Living the life…. Making money takes time and effort and the best “time” is slowly. I also tried lower time frames to fit around my work but I kept on missing the entries and it is very distracting. Daily time frames / swing trading is far less stressful and more accurate. Lower the lot size to manage the risk. You need bucket and buckets of patience though, because a good trade setup can take 5 – 10 days to materialize. Maybe that is a good article to write about next time, “How long does a Swing Trade setup take to materialize”. Regards

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